We just take what we want. While journalism was his primary focus, this was also the period of time in which he developed his penchant for humor and satire. That’s why they say “paying the land.” You pay it before you do anything.
They weren’t really even referring to them by their names. It’s like suddenly all these people are out of work.
I watched him interviewing Gorazde and instantly realized he was immensely skilled as a reporter. I mean, they’re resource extraction jobs, unless you can get sort of a government job or else you live off on the dole. And of course, how does that play out. Find Joe Sacco's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. And he talks about how everyone sort of just knew their place. I mean, I think they—that is a way of approaching the Earth and themselves with real humility.CH: Well, and that gets to the fundamental point of the relationship to the ecosystem that sustains life and our commodification and ultimately killing it and the Dene’s response that the Earth is sacred. It’s putting down roads. I want to talk about the trauma of technology, because that’s also a theme that runs through your book. When these people eventually go back to their communities, they might not even be able to speak to their grandparents and, in some cases, not even to their parents. So within a community, you’re gonna find these different—different forces often in conflict with each other.CH: You do note that the fracking industry, because of the drop in global oil prices is in hiatus. And I think, as a Westerner, you’re really struck by the contrast to an indigenous way of thought, which is we go back far into the past, and we also go far into the future in how we think of ourselves.
For the former NHL player and former head coach of the Colorado Avalanche, see His father Leonard was an engineer and his mother Carmen was a teacher. But there are other ways of thinking of things, spiritual ways of thinking of things. When we come back—when we come back, we’ll continue our conversation with Joe Sacco about his book “Paying the Land.”CH: Welcome back. And the extraction industries offer, at the very least, a job. I mean, of course, you’ve taken children away from their parents, away from their communities, away from the way they think about the world, and you’re imposing something else upon them. And that definitely worked into favor of Canada, because then what you have—you don’t have a strong people that understands itself and understands its connection to the land. Is that correct?JS: Well, let’s just say the way it was put to me was that in 100 years, they might have to come up with something else, that this solution was good for 100 years.JS: And this is how we think of things, right? It’s closed down now. They no longer know their ways of living and being. But there’s no---there’s no asphalt road to Trout Lake. I mean, the attempt was to break the people and to basically—to end their indigeneity, to assimilate them. Because how do we in the west pay the land?
And I thought it was worth going up again and working on a book-length project.CH: I think what you do extremely well in the book is show the trauma, the generational trauma that began with colonization but continues up to the present and how that trauma is passed down, and you—it’s a non-linear book, so you will go all the way back to the first European and, of course, eventually Canadian colonizers. Sacco was born in Malta on October 2, 1960. And now they are going to give the land a gift before they do anything. Find an adviser, online smart tool, or ask an adviser for free on our Q&A form. Maybe you can explain it, but also—I don’t know if you would agree—is in and of itself another form of trauma.JS: I think that’s true. And the first time—and learning sort of to be on the land again, like some experience he never really had, but he knew his ancestors had, and how he hunted a caribou. But then if you see it from the Dene point of view—and there was one case where one guy just—he—he—his token could not be guessed, it seemed. You know, we’re so into progress, science, reason--all those things that we sort of hold so dearly. So, Joe, what is it that drew you to this story, which you’ve spent 4 years of your life documenting and telling?JS: Well, I wanted to do a book about climate change, but I wanted to do something that was a little more sort of oblique. So there’s a very conflicted relationship with it, a very ambivalent relationship with it, and you saw a lot of tension even within communities about that particular thing. I did a magazine piece for a French magazine called “XXI,” and it didn’t seem enough. So what they ended up doing is taking children off the land and putting them into residential schools. And he used the exact same language of finding himself in a circle--that the circle, his circle was closed.
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